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What do you mean by narrating?

Speaking to your tulpa, basically.

Ah

I’m getting a sense that Luna is still in the phase of talking through communicating intention, rather than full voice. Is this normal?

Very much so

Ok, cuz I wanted to make sure I wasn’t parroting

4:29 AM

It’s been a long time since I last worked on making a tulpa. Hoping that since I’ve matured I’ll have a better time of it

Yes, that sounds normal. We commonly call it "tulpish".

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I figured out where Luna was these last couple of hours, and she wasn’t sleeping after all. I checked my wonderland and she had filled the whole dang thing up with books. She said she was going through my memories.

How do you feel about that?

Mature, immature, things, blah, stuff.

6:07 AM

That's cool one of you can read.

6:08 AM

Books are long.

Being literate is a pretty neat thing, yeah.

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Well, one of her strongest characteristics is an insatiable curiosity, so that’s ok. I don’t mind, although it’s weird, cuz now I’m fully aware that she can read everything that I write

6:09 AM

Including my journal

We all know posessed people love to find your journal and read it.

6:11 AM

I'm joking about people I have known.

6:12 AM

I should be in like the lounge.

Why is your name lungs?

Because it sounded ok to me I guess.

Thats some post-apocalyptic name right there.

There's songs, meditations about lungs. Life can seem post-apocalyptic easy.

6:15 AM

Some of us still breathing though dude.

So its more about the meaning behind it, rather then A PART OF THE BODY.

It's my screen name for a while.

6:18 AM

I don't have anything profound to say about it right now.

Hah, fair enough.

helloes

11:36 AM

how much should I be concerned about the moral implications of creating more tulpas solely for work?

Don't do that...

11:40 AM

Tulpas are people, not tools

11:40 AM

Whatever you need for work, you can do yourself

My concern, personally, would be if the reasons you have for creating a tulpa are temporary, such as for work, or with some sort of purpose, such as for work, then you may run the risk of loss of interest over time once the job is done, and you run the risk of setting out walls ahead of time that cannot be passed, which constrains development and freedom.

Without creating another human

I can't kill myself; though.

11:40 AM

that'd be a problem

I think it very well can be moral, but it has its downsides.

my idea; basically; is to use tulpas for writing

11:41 AM

because the stories I write from my own POV are way better then those I don't

11:41 AM

my characters aren't as vivid as myself

Tulpas aren't characters

they can be.

They shouldn't

that's why it's a moral question

Could you make a tulpa, or attempt to make a tulpa, who is characterized and built around the idea that they, as an individual, flip flop or swap between being many other individuals? Like a tulpa with personality states akin to what a host has when they make a tulpa, but with those states being rooted "in" that single individuals tulpa?

My answer is that tulpas are people, not toys, accessories, or tools. You can accomplish those things without making another person. Just train yourself to be able to put yourself in other people's shoes in imaginary situations

that's what I was thinking about; Reguile

11:43 AM

Lyra; doing that training is literally making tulpas – the way I feel it

No?

11:44 AM

People can write without making tulpas...

well; people can write better with tulpas.

I think it's an interesting idea. I'm not super sure it is particularly moral myself, but it's a super interesting concept.

I think

11:45 AM

that's my tulpa's point of view; at least

I can see how tulpamancy could help someone be way more creative and engaged with a story.

mmhm..

11:46 AM

I experienced that firsthand

11:47 AM

but I can hardly get into the mindset of someone else

11:47 AM

I'm losing myself quickly

11:47 AM

and then it's not me anymore

That said, same advice may go for you here as the new people who come around asking if their tulpa can make them the awesome great person they want to be: It may be better to take the time you would put into forcing, and instead put that time and effort into improving your writing for a more direct and less dubious means to improvement.

well; true. but I see that as a way to improve it

What do you mean by losing yourself?

The tulpa likely won't turn out how you like anyway

mm.. if I don't identify with my own personality then it's hard to.. well; be me?

Maybe you can make a "servitor"? Or just... practice your writing skills

I don't believe in servitors as a concept shrugs

Me neither, really

Someone here earlier was talking about their experience with tulpamancy a while ago and it sounded a lot to me like that they took tulpamancy and removed part of it, in that they had identity states just like a tulpa might be, but that they also did not have "automatic" swapping between those states like you'd see when a host and a tulpa have a conversation.

11:50 AM

It might be possible to take the "identity states" out of tulpamancy and use that skill to your own benefit, as well

as for practising; I've heard this suggestion: make your character write a letter to you

without actually making "a tulpa" in the normal way

it hit me somewhat hard; as I write letters a lot myself

I don't know how you'd go about forcing that, though

so if my characters can do the same – how are they substantially different from me?

Having a character write a letter to you actually sounds like a forcing technique to me

yiss; Reguile; you're getting close to what I thought about

11:51 AM

a distilled version of tulpamancy

Stupid corny harry potter sorting hat quote comes to mind

11:52 AM

"It's about the choices you make, not who you are"

11:52 AM

same thing, different context and intent

I think that the biggest problem is that the more my characters develop the more I get an identity crisis myself (edited)

11:52 AM

so subconsciously I don't want them to develop

11:53 AM

because that makes me replaceable and discardable just like them

that was a very paraphrased quote, by the way (edited)

and; surely; I don't like that thought

Yeah, that's kind of a bad place to be at (edited)

11:54 AM

I'm not really sure what to say in that situation. I think something like a tulpa that "contains" these personality states/characters/servitors could be a good idea. I think that just doing more, trying to get over your fears, and and pushing to differentiate these characters from you also could be a good idea. (edited)

well; I know they're not-me

11:55 AM

I think I'm getting into the philosophical area of "what if I'm only a character of my own writing"

sorry, more strongly differentiate until your fears about the above what you just said when I was typing this less strong

my violin teacher would love to hear that giggles

11:55 AM

nods (edited)

11:56 AM

some writers like to guide their characters; set the scene and puppet all the things

11:56 AM

I'm not of that kind. I like to observe

11:56 AM

I do the decorations and let the story to unwrap – sometimes to a conclusion that surprises myself

11:57 AM

I never know how my poems are going to end when I write those

11:57 AM

that means my characters need to have the same free-will-illusion flexibility

That's pretty cool. Does that technique work well for longer stories in your experience?